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nuclear weapons development. >> fire. >> the federation of american scientists estimates that russia currently has a larger arsenal than the u.s. with 8,500 nuclear weapons in its possession. of course exact numbers are closely guarded state secret. thanks to all of you for being part of my program this week. i will see you next week. stay tuned for "reliable sources." it's the end of an era at the "washington post." and no one knows what's in store next. jeff bezos pays $250 million and takes over the news operation that took down a president. but can the guy who gave us the kindle give the news business a much-needed boost? a new sports network is here, fox sports 1, with live sports like major league baseball. >> unbelievable! >> college football.
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ufc, college basketball, nascar and more. >> yes, espn has a new arch rival, thanks to rupert murdoch. we'll talk to the head of espn about how he plans to keep fox from scoring. jon stewart still not here in a huge deal. he's actually being taken over by amazon ceo jeff bezos. >> and it's the biggest battle for late-night since leno and letterman or leno and conan. maybe jimmy and jimmy. now it's jon versus john. just a few weeks left in jon stewart's summer hiatus. i wonder if john oliver will find it difficult to hand back "the daily show." i'm brian stelter, and this is "reliable sources." welcome to washington. what a head-spinning week it's been to the reporters in this town. for 80 years "the washington
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post" was synonymous with names like the graham family and woodward and bernstein. this week bezos became the name to take it to a new generation. what began with this twitter message, stand pie for news, very big news, ended with this monumental front page on tuesday. so will the "post" of the future look anything like this? for that matter will any newspaper? joining me to make sense of this week's news, jenna wortham, and here in washington, jane hall, a journalism professor at american university and paul farhi, the man who broke the news. paul, you knew about this sale a whole day before the rest of the world. what was it like walking around the newsroom holding that information in, keeping that secret? >> well, there was a kind of tension there because i wanted to tell everybody what i knew. we're reporters. our job is to wave our hands and say we know something. on the other hand, i didn't want guys like you to get the story before "the washington post" could break its own news. so those two things sort of kept
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my mouth shut. >> and you talked to jeff bezos beforehand. you're the only reporter who's talked to him. what was your takeaway from that conversation. >> kind of a mystery, to tell you the truth. seemed like a guy who had some interest in newspaper bus couldn't exactly articulate what the plan was going to be, because i sense that he hasn't quite developed the plan in detail yet. of course pressed for answers, wanted him to lay it all out for us but it's not there yet or at least he's not saying what it's going to be. >> right, right. jane, let's zoom out and talk about why this matters to "post" readers or readers of any newspaper. this newspaper has such a storied legacy. >> it has a wonderful legacy. i went back and looked up about katharine graham during the pentagon papers and watergate. her paper was going public. they were up against the government. they were up against threatening license challenges under nixon. they stood up at times and the publisher, the business side stood up for journalism.
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an that is what i think has made a lot of people sad to see this also is one of the last family-held newspapers, except for your "new york times" and there's been a lot of tumult. the questions are will there be the support for journalism as well as what kind of new ideas can bezos bring to this. >> he said there's no map and charting a path ahead will not be easy. we will need to invent, which means we need to experiment. jenna, what experiments might he try at the "washington post." >> well, the thing to remember about jeff bezos is he is obsessively consumer oriented and focused. so i think we can expect him to start with the reader and work backwards. whether that's finding ways to make the "post" much more relevant and interesting on mobile devices. he's obsessed with now people are consuming and reading content on the devices and smartphones and tablets. so he could include e-commerce,
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any of the things we've seen make amazon the web e-commerce giant that it is. we could see him aploy knows techniques or principles to the "post." >> he's made some strange big investments before. >> yeah. i mean most people don't know but he was an early investor in google. he's an investor in twitter. he's building a 10,000 year clock. he's working on a space company in texas. so he's a very eclectic guy, a quirky entrepreneur with a range of interests. >> jenna, i wonder what's going to be harder, a space project or making "the washington post" profitable. >> well, i don't know. i think "the washington post" needs to move much more quickly than once in the millennium, which is what that clock is doing. i talked to a number of reporters and i have friends who took the buyout at "the washington post" and students that are there and people like paul farhi. people are excited by the idea of bezos. he must figure this is not a
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philanthropic enterprise but how do you make customer service work and do the investigation into the walter reed hospital that took months to do. how do you combine those two? we don't really know what he's going to do. >> customer service are the key words perhaps. jenna, you have written about this as well. that customer service is the guiding philosophy of amazon, making it wonderful for users. >> right. jeff bezos has proved over and over again he's not someone who listens to wall street. he doesn't listen to analysts. he's not so consumed with short-term profits and short-term losses for that matter. so a big part of this will be him giving the "post" the room to experiment and kind of figure out what it means to be a newspaper in 2013, 2014 and 2024. i mean he's giving them a lot of space to figure it out. >> "the boston globe" sold this week as well. john henry the new owner. i wonder if he's going to take what he's learned about sabre metrics in baseball and apply it to the "globe." >> i think both of these purchases suggest that the
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newspaper industry needs new approaches. i think the grahams essentially said that by saying we cannot take this newspaper into the future, we need to hand it off to somebody who does have another plan, another way of going about it. and, you know, jeff bezos may be the guy to do that. we hope so at "the washington post." >> healthy invests in reporters. what a great idea. there have been a real loss of newsroom jobs. the brand of "the post" covering washington could use some reinvigorating and use more reporting on federal agencies. that's what the paper has always had attention about. i assume you agree with me. >> we also need to cover our local city and our region. "the washington post" has always from the get-go within a local newspaper. and what's interesting here is we will have a publisher who is an absentee publisher. he's not moving here. he won't be here. how that affects our metro
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coverage, something we've been very strong on for decades, remains to be seen. >> the story you wrote about the "post" sale was "the new york times." let's explain to the viewers at home why "the new york times" ownership came up immediately once this happened. >> because "the new york times" is essentially the last man standing. a family own, family controlled newspaper that is still independent. can they make a go of it? can they remain a public company without the kind of, you know, wealthy backer that "the washington post" is now getting. so far so good for "the new york times," but can they remain independent is the question. >> in fact the family met -- at least talked afterwards and put out a statement saying they don't intend to have any change. what do you make of that? >> well, they say that and if someone shows up like jeff bezos and says i'm going to give you a whole lot of money for this enterprise, maybe they would be for sale. the family seems adamant. we have to take them at their
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word, obviously. they think they have a plan to go in the future, but "the washington post" wasn't for sale necessarily until a few months ago too. >> "the new york times" is profitable and it moves in the digital world. they have doubled down on being a national newspaper, and i agree with paul. "the washington post" has to do both. "the new york times" has to do both too but they are sold all over the country and that's a source of revenue. they have had subscriptions. everybody has to develop ways to get the content paid for. advertising is coming up. you know, there are a lot of different ways to try this. they have doubled down on we're going to be the brand and the newspaper and that's going to be our core business. >> and there's something that they have to be dependent on into the future, which is those paid -- those paid subscriptions going up and up and up. if it levels out, if it declines, there's a problem. so they have staked their future on a strategy which says people will pay for the paper and advertising will be a lesser part of the revenue stream of
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the paper. >> paul farhi, jane hall and jenna wortham, thanks. when we come back, what can "the post" learn from someone like jeff bezos. we'll talk to someone who knows personally, henry blodget, next. 130 calories 7 grams of protein the fiber one caramel nut protein bar. the fiber one lealong the jersey shore,g. coca-cola is partnering with local businesses and the seaside heights business improvement district to restore the historic boardwalk, welcoming beach lovers back with a refreshed and revitalized place to get out, get moving, and have some fun in the sun. it's part of our goal to inspire more than three million people to rediscover the joy of being active this summer. see the difference all of us can make... together.
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where over seventy-five percent of store management started as i'm the next american success story. working for a company hourly associates. there's opportunity here. i can use walmart's education benefits to get a degree, maybe work in it, or be an engineer, helping walmart conserve energy. even today, when our store does well, i earn quarterly bonuses. when people look at me, i hope they see someone working their way up. vo: opportunity, that's the real walmart. he's one of the 20 richest people in the world. with an estimated net worth of more than $25 billion, he's a busy guy. so monday's announcement left many people wondering why would jeff bezos want to buy "the
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washington post." his past investments might help answer that question. a few months ago he helped this website, business insider, raise $5 million to hire more reporters and more salesmen. in retrospect, maybe bezos was dipping his toe in these waters. now that he's dived all the way in with "the post" i spoke with business insider hedge reblodget about where he thinks the paper is headed. when you heard about the sale, how did you react? >> i was very startled. when i thought about it, i wasn't surprised. jeff bezos has made big, bold bets that people think are insane for his entire life. it worked out very well and when i thought about it, this made a lot of sense. >> you bet heavily on amazon and more recently you talked about an investment here. when did that start? >> i knew him in the '90s and a year and a half ago he asked me to dinner. which was great. we talked about a lot of things,
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amazon over the years, it's been an incredible progression, his philosophy toward the business, investing in the long term. we talked about this business. six months later he said, hey, i'd like to invest. we said, great, send the money. >> did you get the sense that he was interested in the journalism business more broadly? >> he's an incredibly, curious, smart person. every time i've ever seen hill and talked to him, he always has great ideas about things. he's thought about everything very deeply. so the idea that he would be into great journalism seems absolutely apparent. i think he's interested in this business too, though. there are a lot of similarities between the digital journalism business and amazon. and the difference between amazon and a traditional retailer is very similar to the difference between a digital journalism business and a traditional journalism business. i think all of that was actually very interesting to him. >> what do you think he's trying to build here and what do you think appealed to him about this? >> i think he thinks it's cool and interesting and he has invested in lots of things for seemingly only that reason.
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he's invested in rockets, atomic clocks. he thinks it's cool and he wants to be cool to it and talk about it. and if there's a financial return there, great. i don't think he's trying to throw money away. but i just think he wants to be involved in a lot of very colonel things and that was definitely an appeal here, i hope. >> you wrote a blockbuster about what you think he might do at "the post" he said if you ever have a question, just look at amazon. what do you mean by that? >> lots of different ways. but the main way amazon is so different from the rest of corporate america and the reason the company is one of the big success stories out of the 1990s is that jeff has a philosophy of making bets that are going to pay off over decades. he is not worried about this quarter's earnings, this year's earnings, he's not worried about making a profit to impress wall street this year. and the company is also mocked and criticized for that but only by short-term people who don't understand the value of taking those profits and reinvesting them and that's why amazon has
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been so successful. so looking at "the post," they are losing money now. my guess is he will be patient as long as he thinks "the post" is making very intelligent investments for the future. what happens to the newspaper, is he going to combine newspaper delivery with some of amazon's physical delivery that they're moving into now? maybe so. will he eliminate the paper? eventually, i would imagine so. will he work on the website and the distribution and building out the newsroom so the "washington post" is much deeper and broader? certainly possible. >> you mentioned similarities between digital news and e-commerce and distribution is one of them. what are some of the other similarities you see here? >> the biggest similarity is if you look at a traditional store versus amazon, any traditional store has to be either a specialized store or a generalist store. there's walmart, which has two versions of every product. then there's a specialty store which has all of them. a web business can be both of those things at the same time. that's why amazon can basically hook you up with any product, anywhere. they don't have to be a
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specialist, they can be broad. the news business is exactly the same way dumbarton bridge talig. networks, we've had focused on a tig thing, magazines focused on a particular thing or generalists like "the washington post." a good organization can do both. they can go very deeply into certain topics and be incredibly broad. >> what's the biggest takeaway jeff can take from here and apply to "the washington post." >> hopefully looking at some of the things we do, some are very applicable to what "the post" does. i think there is the fundamental challenge he'll have to confront which is transform an organization that has just been trying to survive and now focusing on it. okay, here's the innovation engine we'll go forward. but i would expect there are a lot of things we do here he would want to do at "the post" that would help it become more profitable going forward.
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>> what are those? >> the way a digital newsroom is constructed is very different from a paper that's organized to deliver the product the next morning. the best journalist at "the new york times" or "the washington post" are working on the next day's story. maybe they'll hit the website but there's that deadline of we're going to set it up for tomorrow morning and then we delivered. digital is much more realtime. you have much more flexibility in terms of the types of story you can do. sometimes it's just a link, sometimes it's a short story, sometimes it's longer, sometimes it's video, sometimes it's very image heavy, photographs. you can do a lot more of that than you can do in the paper. so there are just different ways of story telling that work very well online and different ways that people consume the information. they don't want it in a dump in the morning that they get and flip through, they want it throughout the day. >> this all makes me think "the washington post" of the world will become more like "the business insiders" of the world. >> i think that's right. the bigger we get, the more resources we have, the more we
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can do more investigative enterprise stories. you're typical used to see "the new york times" or "washington post." similarly on the digital side for "the washington post" the way to make that work very well is to build a realtime newsroom and to have the best talent at the paper focused on digital rather than the print product and orienting the entire business that way. that will make "the washington post" viable forever. there's a huge opportunity here. people talk about the death of journalism. this is a golden age for journalism and "the washington post" has a chance to be part of that. >> henry blodget, thanks for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> so what would you like to see bezos do at "the washington post" tweet me and use the hash tag #rye liable. coming up next, the new head of nbc news probably deserves hazard pay. can deborah turness turn around
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back in may, nbc shattered one of the meade yaez remaining
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glass ceilings by hiring the first female president of a network television news division. her name is deborah turness and she started her career across the pond working with britain's itm. let me tell you what the conventional wisdom was in the tv industry back when she was hired. people said her first, second, third, fourth priorities would be fixing the "today" show which is stuck in second place in the mornings and it does need fixing but other shows need fixing too. just two weeks ago abc's diane sawyer beat nbc's brian williams for the first time in five years. maybe that's just a fluke, but it's probably not. the newsmagazine "rock center" was recently cancelled. and nbc's sunday morning show "meet the press" has lost a lot of ground to its competitors as well. nbc used to be the dominant brand in network news. now, well, that's debatable. returning to the round table to talk about nbc's challenges and more, paul farhi, the media reporter for "the washington post" and joane hall.
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jane, deborah turness' first week on the job showed how challenging this is going to be. it says "good morning america" has extended its winning streak among total viewers to 50 weeks. it's longest run at number one in more than 21 years. once you fall to second place, it's really hard to get back up, right? >> well, these changes in morning television are glacial. once they turn, they sometimes stay turned for a long time. that's got to be her first job. multimillion dollars, as you've written, are on the line between being first and being second. these are a huge profit center, they are largely female audiences and they misjudged, as you wrote so well, how the largely female audience would react to ann curry seeming to be pushed aside. they did the same thing 20 years earlier with jane pauley seemingly pushed aside and this is a really big issue that she's going to have to deal with right away. >> paul, it's worth pointing out these network news shows still command a big audience versus cable news and that's why we care about them, right?
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>> that's right. it's the tallest building in wat wichita these days. everybody is losing audience. they are going to maybe 5,000 different channels with the internet. and yet the network is still, because of their historical advantage, still command the biggest share. you know, that's a very valuable position, even in this world that's flying apart in many, many different ways. >> flying apart, i like that. jane, what's the significance of having a woman in charge of a network news division for the first time? >> i think it's important. i think it's another shift in moving women into the executive suites that's going on around the country. i think the symbolism probably at the anchors was more important because that's what the viewers know. when diane sawyer and katie couric came into these jobs it was once a woman wouldn't be seen as the voice of authority in a time of crisis. i don't think she'll be any more
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sensitive to the women viewers than to the men but it's a good symbol. >> we should also point out that she, i believe, is also the first british national to run an american network news division. and we don't know how that plays out either. >> that could be very interesting, though. >> you know, one another thing i wanted to mention, the nightly newscasts, among everybody else, have maintained their audience. there is still an audience for a summary of the day's news on all three of those broadcasts of the the one place that's amazingly stable. >> is nightly news. >> yeah. >> another topic affecting nbc news is the hillary mini series over at nbc entertainment. we've seen the rnc come out and say they're not having any debates with nbc if this mini series goes forward. they say the same thing about cnn because cnn is working on a documentary about hillary clinton. and earlier today on "state of the union" riens priebus was asked about it so let's see what he said. >> totally ridiculous and stupid. the fact is what channel am i
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going to tune into to see the documentary and mini series that is all about promoting hillary clinton. at this point it sounds like it's cnn and nbc. if that's the case, they're not going to be involved in our debates, period. >> paul, let me play devil's advocate here. isn't this all a smoke screen designed to distract from the fact the republicans want fewer debates overall. they want their candidates less exposed and that's why they're making a big fuss of this? >> i won't touch that part but i do think they want equal time and that's what reince priebus is going for. i don't remember the rnc being upset when they did a mini series about the reagans. nevertheless, this is the entertainment division of nbc, not the news division. and we don't know what the content is. there's plenty of warts to bring up about hillary clinton, it's not going to be all glory for her. >> you know, chuck todd and
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andrea mitchell have already talked about how this is, as todd said, a nightmare for them. viewers, i don't think, are going to make a difference. the thing that's funny to me, who's to say if this talks about monica lewinsky, which it will, who's to say this is going to be great for hillary clinton to bring all of that bad news up again? i think priebus -- i'll go out on a limb. i saw priebus' interview with sean hannity about this. he basically said we want a base we can control. these guys are not going to promote us. so i think it's a ploy. i'm sure it's a sincere ploy, but i think it is a ploy about the debates, to say we're going to take our ball and bat and go home. >> except from the rnc's perspective you're going to have four-plus hours or i don't know how long it's going to be is primetime coverage and primetime story about hillary clinton. they'd probably like that for marco rubio and jeb bush, et cetera. >> one more nbc story this week, alec baldwin in talks for a show on msnbc. this is not a joke. i think it may be announced as early as this week. will you all be watching an alec
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baldwin talk show? >> i'd watch that. i think he's an interesting personality. the cable networks do not have hosts who are from a news background necessarily. why not alec baldwin? he's a guy who mixes it up. it could be exciting and energetic. >> i think it could be good. i've interviewed him. he's very interested in politics. how he would be on a regular show, you have to book people, being a host, how the rest of the lineup feels about, this i'd be interested to know how other hosts feel about him. he would get a lot of tune-in in the beginning. >> he's got a great podcast. if it's anything like the podcast online, it could be great, jane, paul, thanks for joining us. next, a turn to maybe the heaviest news of the week. terror threats, embassy closings an drone strikes. there was no shortage of news from yemen this week, but where was the press? hd "
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welcome back to "reliable sources." i'm brian stelter. today 18 of the embassies that were closed because of terror threats last week reopened. one is still closed, and it's
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the one in yemen, which underscores how that country is now a central front in the largely secret war against al qaeda. so why are there so few western reporters living and working there? and how does that journalistic vacuum affect the way we understand what's going on? joining us now live via skype from the yemeni capital are two of those western journalists. adam baron and iona craig. also joining us from atlanta, jep boone, a former managing editor of the yemen times. that you all for being he and coming in from skriep frype. i want to start with iona and talk about what a typical day in the life of a reporter is. is it relatively safe for you? are you able to move around pretty freely? >> yeah, i'm able to move around pretty freely. i head out in the mornings. i normally pick up some bread from the bakers just outside of my front door for breakfast.
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i live right on a busy market and head out for meetings. i don't think i've ever done one that's lasted less than an hour. people will sit down and spend a lot of time talking to foreign journalists here. but the only thing i do need to take precautions, i do wear a hijab to blend in because of the recent issues of foreigners being kidnapped. >> adam, do you find interest from editors back home in the stories that are happening there? >> i think i'm lucky that the two main outlets i write for in the u.s., csm and mcclatchy newspapers tend to take a pretty nuanced view so they're always interested in stuff. but it's very clear that there are certain things, like anything related as the past week has shown get disproportionate attention compared to the political things or humanitarian stuff. >> so in other words, the war
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coverage is taken much more seriously than the human stories there? >> yeah, i'd say so. >> and, jeb, how does that affect how americans perceive what's going on there? if we don't see it on television every day, if we don't see live shots from there and foreign correspondents parachuting in, how does that affect how americans perceive it? >> americans don't realize how -- just how deeply involved we are in yemen and how many drone strikes have happened just this past week. there have been so many. it's important to realize that while no one -- no one is in these areas, these rural areas where the drone strikes are happening. it may seem sort of a distant occurrence, hard to keep in touch with. also keep that in mind when the media reports on these types of drone strikes. they're relying on reports from elsewhere and they might not quite be sure what's going on either. >> iona, when we talked earlier, you made a point about how this reminds you in some ways of iraq and wmd from many, many years
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ago because you say western journalists are fed, spoon pedestrian information. can you give us an example of that? >> yeah, i mean that's really come out this week. most of the coverage that's come from yemen has not just been misleading, it's been complete and utter -- you'd probably believe that we're on lockdown here, that we're under a siege. and the reality is here this week nothing has changed. it's absolutely normal. the amount of soldiers on the streets. there has been no heightened security and the only difference has been this u.s. surveillance plane buzzing over the city for several days. and the spoon feeding aspect is all of this was instigated by unnamed officials in the white house and in washington without any verification of that. and people -- you know, the media organizations have completely swallowed that information without questioning it or actually using their own brains, you know, to think whether that may or may not be
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correct. and that's similar to what happened with the iraq story. so this is all been sort of hugely hyped up as a pretext. as jeb mentioned, this soaring number of drone strikes this week. >> adam, i suppose if there's any optimistic take on this, it's that you all are there and thanks to skype and twitter you're able to get the word out in a way people couldn't do 10 and definitely not 20 years ago. >> yeah. i can't imagine what it would be like to do this prior to -- prior to the internet and stuff. and i think when it comes down to it, i think when you look at me and iona and our other colleague, casey's, coverage, it's very clear the difference between someone who's writing about yemen from washington, d.c., or cairo versus writing from yemen from yemen. and i think when it comes down to it, one of the reasons why there's such an issue with a lot of coverage at yemen is that it's being covered from elsewhere. when this is a country that you really need to be deeply
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enmeshed in to understand. >> that's a great reminder for all journalism for that matter, the value of being on the ground. adam, iona, jeb, thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> after the break, espn calls itself the worldwide leader in sports. well, it's about to get a fiercesome new competitor. what's the game plan for fending off fox sports 1? my conversation with espn boss john skipper is next. the bestr it's not a candy bar. 130 calories 7 grams of protein the fiber one caramel nut protein bar. "that starts with one of the world's most advancedy," the fiber one distribution systems," "and one of the most efficient trucking networks," "with safe, experienced drivers." "we work directly with manufacturers," "eliminating costly markups," "and buy directly from local farmers in every region of the country."
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silver, the stat stud is about to bring his 538 blog to the network. earlier i spoke with espn president john skipper about fox's new network and the state of sports journalism. john skipper, thanks for joining us. >> thank you, brian. thanks for having me. >> we see the earnings from disney come out a few days ago and as always, espn drives the company's profits. it must be a great time to be in sports media, huh? >> look, right now is an ascendant time for sports. we were very pleased with the earnings. many divisions of the walt disney company have contributed this year. the films are having a great year, the parks are having a great year and we're pleased to do our part in the overall company. >> because of those profits, the competition is getting more and more fierce. we have fox sports 1 launching in a matter of days. what's espn's take on this giant new rival? >> look, we have a great deal of respect for the news corporation and for fox.
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they have got some excellent rights. they make smart plays. news corp will make big bets so we respect what they do, we're cognizant. but on the other hand we feel very confident in our strengths and the aggregation of rights we have and our people, in our relationships with advertisers, our distribution deals. we're in a strong position. >> you're hiring of nate silver was one of the great media surprises of the summer. when will he start and what will we see initially from nate silver and 538 being part of espn? >> nate will officially work for us as of september 1. it will take us a few months to get 538 retooled and repositioned and relaunched, but you'll begin to see nate silver across some of the platforms of espn. he brings a unique mind to this. he really is at the forefront of the analytics movement and we'll look to use him where he can make a difference, help us understand big events better, and then, of course, the
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priority is for him to get 538 relaunched in the next several months. >> is there an analogy there to bill simmons? the two did a pot cast this week talking, they're clearly getting to know each other. do you want to bring in more franchises like them? >> well, it certainly was helpful that we had launched grant and we allowed bill simmons the freedom to do the kind of site he's doing so when we went to nate and said we're going to let you range across things other than sports. we're going to give you support and freedom to have opinions and to look at things, it gave us a real credibility. and, yes, it's like, of course, asking if you want to have a hit record. we like having a bill simmons and grant and we like having nate silver and 538.com. if you or anybody else can point me in the direction of other singular talents around whom we can create businesses and opportunities, we're ready for a
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go. >> speaking of talent, keith olbermann starts in a couple of weeks. we'll see him on espn2. will we see nate silver on that program as well? >> you know, we're right now in the process of doing the formats for the keith olbermann show, of doing rehearsals. eventually you'll see nate silver on keith olbermann, i suspect, but we haven't made all those decisions. given the fact that the show is smart and that we're looking for smart guests and points of view, i suspect you'll see nate silver on keith olbermann, i'm not prepared to say when then. >> how are the rehearsals going for olbermann's show? >> so far it's going great. there's always scary moments when you think about getting a show up and going, but we've got excellent producers on the show. keith is up for it. it's been astonishing to watch the rehearsals and see what he can do in a room with a pen and a piece of paper in an hour. so we're very excited about how
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smart this show is going to be, how energized keith informative, enter taping show. >> is there a strategy here for espn overall to seem more intellectual especially at a time when fox sports 1 is about to come on? >> look, we have long looked for smart talent and unique points of view. it was 2000 when we put david and ralph and hunter on page two of espn.com. so we've been at that. just by the very nature of the definition of unique talents and singular talents, there aren't many who qualify. so we're on the lookout for people who can make us smarter. and we have a lot of networks and a lot of time to fill. and we want to have many different ways to do that, different kinds of shows, different formats, different t l talents.
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and the strategy is to creates a much of our own sxe tigs compet possible. we want great shows and compete most importantly with ourselves. at the end of the interview, i wanted to ask about the controversy that's engulfed next winter's olympics. the apity gay laws in russia have generated outrage as well as questions about nbc universal might handle the issue. >> look, i think the guys at nbts have an extraordinary commitment to the olympics and what it stands for. i know those guys personally and i know that personally they are not supportive of the kind of legislation that has been passed in russia or those kind of actions. what they're trying to figure out is how to navigate that. they have a responsibility to our athletes, to the u.s. olympic committee, to the ioc. they want to do great television and i have a high level of
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confidence that they have the moral compass and the smarts to navigate this. it does represent an ethical issue for us all. it will represent to us in covering this. we of course are appalled at what has gone down here. but again, i think my peers and friends other than at nbc will do well here. >> john skipper, one of the most powerful men in media, thanks for joining us. >> nice to be here. last but not least, jon stewart returns to his daily show from a summer break soon. but i wonder might viewers be rooting for john oliver to stay put?
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speculation launched our new segment can't you at least wait until jon stewart comes back? because as you know, 2016 is three years away. and i'm only here for two more weeks. >> some fans don't want him to ever leave. many it's his less cynical
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approach, maybe it's just take british accent. i won't even try to impersonate it. some people prefer john oliver. "new york times" got me thinking about this. >> let's step late that jon stewart changed television and journalism and is really great at hosting a daily show. still enjoying the john oliver. maybe it's the british accent. maybe it's the fact that he's super excited every single day to be doing it. maybe it's because he acts like he's about to get the hook and in any random second, but there is an urgency to the broadcast that i'm enjoying very much. >> david carr there. this debate divides households,
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families, even morning show teams. >> john oliver is really funny. >> hard to look at it because jon stewart attacks cnn all the time, but oliver has attacked "new day" directly. so i don't know who i like better. >> he'll be swiz i'll be switze. you win them over with sugar. i love you both. >> next i went to a primary source, the comedian who co-created the daily show back in the 1990s. >> it's not really about whether or not john oliver or jon stewart's better. it's just another case of one of those crappy cable tv jobs that no american wants to do. isn't john oliver just an immigrant doing a job that no american has really signed on for? >> you know whose votes matter the most, the viewers. so we stood in line at the show and polled the audience. >> i prefer jon stewart. yeah. just because he's familiar and
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he's been doing this for so long. >> i prefer john oliver because he's british. sexy absebsenabsen accent. >> in life, john oliver. >> jon stewart. i honestly don't know why. he's just got charisma. >> but i love john alloliver. >> jon stewart made it what it is. >> john oliver because i'm english. >> i prefer jon stewart because i don't know who john oliver is. >> john oliver is like my favorite comedian hands down. >> that is a tough question. i'll have to say john oliver just because he's young relatively and, i don't know, a big fan of his work. so fun to see him break out. hoping he gets a spinoff. >> me, i'd tell vote for jon stewart. there is more than enough room for two johns. so comedy central, we're counting on you.
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